Marmiton River MO028
1864-10-25 to 1864-10-25 · MO · Price's Missouri Expedition [September-October 1864] · frozen result: Union · NPS summary (as listed)
Following the Battle of Mine Creek, Maj. Gen. Sterling Price continued his cartage towards Fort Scott. In late afternoon of October 25, Price's supply train had difficulty crossing the Marmiton River ford and, like at Mine Creek, Price had to make a stand. Brig. Gen. John S. McNeil, commanding two brigades of Pleasonton's cavalry division, attacked the Confederate troops that Price and his officers rallied, included a sizable number of unarmed men. McNeil observed the sizable Confederate force, not knowing that many of them were unarmed, and refrained from an all out assault. After about two hours of skirmishing, Price continued his retreat and McNeil could not mount an effective pursuit. Price's army was broken by this time, and it was simply a question of how many men he could successfully evacuate to friendly territory.
Command responsibility (ledger v2)
US: John McNeil
Grade A under rule 2; echelon detachment_or_post. superior_directing
Rule 2. The description has McNeil commanding the two brigades that attacked (the description's 'John S. McNeil' and the listing's 'John McNeil' are taken as one officer). Echelon: a two-brigade detachment of Pleasonton's division. Pleasonton, on the field, ordered McNeil to form the Second and Fourth Brigades and charge (superior_directing: Pleasonton); Curtis's general direction of the pursuit is recorded under KS003/KS004 and not repeated here.
Brigadier Generalarnold-cwsac-commanders, battle MO028, belligerent US, fullname John McNeil; column rank · snapshot
6c587c298717…Brig. Gen. John S. McNeil, commanding two brigades of Pleasonton's cavalry division, attacked the Confederate troops that Price and his officers ralliedarnold-cwsac-battles, battle MO028; column description · snapshot
952b5d08402a…Confederate: Sterling Price
Grade A under rule 2; echelon army.
Rule 2. The description has Price making the stand with the troops 'that Price and his officers rallied'; Britton has Fagan and Clark rallying the routed divisions and Shelby's division forming the front line (subordinate context). Nothing contradicts the listing.
Major Generalarnold-cwsac-commanders, battle MO028, belligerent Confederate, fullname Sterling Price; column rank · snapshot
6c587c298717…like at Mine Creek, Price had to make a stand.arnold-cwsac-battles, battle MO028; column description · snapshot
952b5d08402a…After about two hours of skirmishing, Price continued his retreatarnold-cwsac-battles, battle MO028; column description · snapshot
952b5d08402a…Side strength (ledger v3)
US: grade D: no usable figure (modelled in the rating runs)
whole_engagement_leakage
Confederate: grade D: no usable figure (modelled in the rating runs)
whole_engagement_leakage
Dossier claims
Draft dossier, revision price-missouri-review-correction-2026-09-25. Claims are extraction records with their quoted passages, not historical adjudication. JSON
information
supportedunresolved NPS says McNeil, not knowing that many of the Confederates were unarmed, refrained from an all-out assault; Britton says the massed lines made an imposing appearance by their numbers.
Attributed perception from a summary and a history; no message log inspected.
not knowing that many of them were unarmed, and refrained from an all out assault.nps-mo028-v1, Description · snapshot
bc915bdf3785…posing appearance by their immense numbers.britton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.499 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…logistics
supportedunresolved Britton says the Federal charge could only be made at a walk because the horses were worn out, the division's batteries fired 220 rounds that day, and the Confederates halted at the Marmiton to destroy the train and blow up the ammunition of the lost guns. Price says he destroyed many wagons with broken-down teams the next morning.
Horse condition, ammunition expended and destruction of transport; no supply return.
it was impossible to urge the horses forward at a more rapid gaitbritton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.499 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…expended in this and in the other actions of the day 220 rounds of shell and canister.britton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.499 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…destroy the train, and blow up the artillery ammunition of the lost gunsbritton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.500 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…after destroying many wagons with broken- down teams that could not be replacedor41-1-price-missouri-selections-v1, p.637 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
7a18d48e08b2…objectives
supportedunresolved Price says Fagan rallied part of his force and helped Shelby hold the enemy on the prairie in front of the unarmed men until nightfall. Britton says the train was sent on to the Marmiton under escort while the fight went on.
Stated aims from an interested report and a history. Price does not name the place; identifying his 'prairie beyond the river' line with Britton's Shiloh Creek stand is an interpretation, and part of his account may cover the Little Osage action.
holding the enemy in check upon the prairie and in front of the immense lines of unarmed men until night-fallor41-1-price-missouri-selections-v1, p.637 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
7a18d48e08b2…The Confederate train had been sent on to the Marmiton River under heavy escort while the fight was going on.britton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.500 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…outcome
supportedpost_outcome The frozen and live results read Union victory. NPS says Price continued his retreat after about two hours and McNeil could not mount an effective pursuit; Britton says the Confederates moved off in rapid retreat at sundown; Price says he withdrew at nightfall.
Retain the original result and engagement interval; later movements and campaign contribution are different measures. No new probabilities or individual causal credit.
at sundown the Southern forces moved off in rapid retreatbritton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.499 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…until night-fall, when I withdrew.or41-1-price-missouri-selections-v1, p.637 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
7a18d48e08b2…supportedpost_outcome The frozen casualty text reads Unknown and the live field zero. No inspected passage gives a loss figure for this action.
Original casualty returns were not inspected; preserve totals, categories, cutoffs and differences. No canonical reconciliation or casualty-based opening count; related actions must not be added without resolving population overlap.
responsibility
supportedunresolved Britton says Pleasonton ordered McNeil to form the Second and Fourth Brigades and charge, Cole directed the artillery, and Fagan and Clark had rallied the routed divisions. The frozen commanders are Major General Sterling Price and Brigadier General John McNeil; NPS names McNeil as John S. McNeil.
Command roles from a history and an interested report; no automatic sole credit.
General Pleasonton ordered McNeil to form the Second and Fourth Brigades into double line of battle and advance and charge the enemy.britton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.499 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…At this place Generals Fagan and Clark had rallied the troops of the routed divisionsbritton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.498 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…Major-General Fagan in the meantime had succeeded in rallying a portion of his forcesor41-1-price-missouri-selections-v1, p.637 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
7a18d48e08b2…Major Generalarnold-cwsac-commanders, battle MO028, belligerent Confederate, fullname Sterling Price; column rank · snapshot
6c587c298717…Brigadier Generalarnold-cwsac-commanders, battle MO028, belligerent US, fullname John McNeil; column rank · snapshot
6c587c298717…Brig. Gen. John S. McNeil, commanding two brigadesnps-mo028-v1, Description · snapshot
bc915bdf3785…strength
unknownunresolved
No inspected return establishes matched personnel at a common opening boundary. The frozen side-specific numerical strength bounds are blank (missing_numeric_strength). No figure in this pass is adopted as a simultaneous opening force.
supportedunresolved The frozen force field reads Two brigades, provisional cavalry division and Army of Missouri; the live field reads zero. NPS says McNeil commanded two brigades and that the Confederate line included a sizable number of unarmed men. Britton says McNeil's Second and Benteen's Fourth Brigades met Price's whole army drawn up in quadruple line, with Shelby's division in front, and that Cole brought ten guns into action. Price says he formed the unarmed men, several thousand, in line of battle on the prairie.
Unit identifications and an unquantified count of unarmed men; no return. None is adopted as a matched opening strength. The live zero is not measured absence. Price does not name the place; identifying his 'prairie beyond the river' line with Britton's Shiloh Creek stand is an interpretation, and part of his account may cover the Little Osage action.
Two brigades, provisional cavalry division [US]; Army of Missouri [CS]arnold-cwsac-battles, battle MO028; column forces_text · snapshot
952b5d08402a…came upon Price's entire army on Shiloh Creek about six miles northeast of Fort Scott.britton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.498 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…drawn up in quadruple line of battlebritton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.498 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…He then concentrated the fire of his ten guns on the Confederate centrebritton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.499 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…I again formed the unarmed men, numbering several thousand, in line of battle on the prairie beyond the river.or41-1-price-missouri-selections-v1, p.637 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
7a18d48e08b2…terrain
disputedunresolved NPS places the stand at the Marmiton ford, where the train had difficulty crossing. Britton places it on Shiloh Creek about six miles northeast of Fort Scott, after which the Confederates retreated to the Marmiton crossing ten miles east of Fort Scott; Price says the train had gone ten miles ahead to the Marmiton.
Location described differently by a summary, a history and an interested report; no map verification.
Price's supply train had difficulty crossing the Marmiton River fordnps-mo028-v1, Description · snapshot
bc915bdf3785…on Shiloh Creek about six miles northeast of Fort Scott.britton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.498 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…moved off in rapid retreat to the crossing of the Marmiton River ten miles east of Fort Scott.britton-price-missouri-selections-v2, p.499 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
944893b13523…The train having reached the Marmiton, a distance of ten miles, I there overtook itor41-1-price-missouri-selections-v1, p.637 (OCR page markers; not checked against print) · snapshot
7a18d48e08b2…Open questions
- McNeil's (No. 27), Benteen's (No. 10) and Pleasonton's reports, Shelby's report and a map placing Charlot's farm and Shiloh Creek remain deferred.
- Rosecrans's, Pleasonton's and Curtis's reports, the subordinate Union and Confederate reports in Volume XLI Part 1, the organization of Price's army (No. 89), Maclean's itinerary (No. 90), the Price Court of Inquiry, Hinton's 1865 Rebel Invasion of Missouri and Kansas, maps and returns remain deferred.
- NPS/CWSAC is one family (the NPS battle page plus the frozen Arnold rows). Wiley Britton's The Civil War on the Border, volume II (Putnam, 1899) is a retrospective history by a Union participant; by its preface the larger operations are based mainly on the published official reports, so it is not independent of the Price report family. Price's September 19 and November 2 dispatches and his December 28, 1864 report (Official Records Series I, Volume XLI, Part 1, No. 88) are one family of interested Confederate accounts. The Official Records volume is a shared container, not an additional witness. Report dates are not event times or proof of contemporary knowledge.
- No automatic commander attribution, causal campaign score, morale/readiness number or battle/campaign double counting.